Flying Monkeys: How Narcissists Recruit Your People Against You, and How to Respond
A psychoeducational essay on flying monkeys: how narcissists recruit your people against you, and how to respond, drawn from more than a decade of practice with driven women in relational-trauma recovery.
Quick Answer
Flying monkeys are the people a narcissist recruits, usually unknowingly, to pressure you, watch you, and carry his version of events after you’ve left.
Nandini put her phone face-down on the arm of the couch before she’d finished sitting, and told me her aunt had texted four times on the drive over. She hadn’t read them. She didn’t need to. For three months, ever since she’d stopped answering her mother’s calls, her aunt’s messages had all said some version of the same thing: your mother is heartbroken, she doesn’t understand what she did, please just call her. Nandini is 44, runs a team of thirty people, and hadn’t cried about her mother once. That afternoon she cried about her aunt.
I’ve noticed this shape so many times in my practice that I can almost predict when it’ll arrive. A woman finally does the hard thing: she names the narcissistic pattern in a parent, a partner, a sibling, and she steps back. And then, within weeks, the pressure stops coming from the person she stepped away from and starts coming from everyone around them. Her sister. Her closest friend from college. Her mother’s oldest friend, who has known her since she was six. The messages sound reasonable. The people sending them love her, or say they do. And she’s suddenly defending a decision she made to protect herself to the very people she thought would help her hold it.
What I’ve come to think of as the second loss of narcissistic abuse isn’t the relationship itself. It’s the web around it. The narcissist rarely works alone once you pull away; they recruit, often without the recruits fully understanding what they’ve signed up for. These people have a name, borrowed from The Wizard of Oz, and I’ve found that giving my clients that name is one of the most steadying things I can offer, because it turns a dozen bewildering conversations into a single recognizable pattern. So let me show you what that pattern looks like when it walks into your kitchen, your inbox, and your family group chat.
This article is educational and developmental in nature. It isn’t a substitute for individualized care from a licensed clinician, and reading it doesn’t establish a therapist-client relationship. If you’re in crisis or having thoughts of suicide, in the United States call or text 988 for the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. Outside the US, visit findahelpline.com for local crisis resources.
Flying Monkeys: The Name for the Moment It Stops Being Just Him.
Let me give you the word first, because the word is the thing that turns eight separate painful phone calls into one pattern you can see. In the clinical literature on narcissistic abuse, flying monkeys are the people a narcissistic person recruits, knowingly or not, to pressure you, surveil you, gather information about you, or carry his messages to you once you’ve started to pull away. The term comes from The Wizard of Oz, where the winged monkeys do the Wicked Witch’s errands and never once ask why. It isn’t a diagnosis. It describes a function a person is serving, not who that person is.
Here’s the analogy I use in my office. Imagine a relay race you never signed up for. You’ve stepped off the track. You’ve said, clearly, that you’re done running. And the baton keeps arriving in your hand anyway, passed by people who love you, who don’t think of themselves as runners at all, who genuinely believe they’re just handing you something you dropped. That’s the disorienting part. The baton is his. The hand is your sister’s.
On a Tuesday afternoon it feels like this. Your phone lights up with your mother’s name and your stomach drops before you’ve read a single word, because some part of you already knows what the call is about. You pick up and spend twenty-five minutes defending a decision you’ve already made to a person who was, until recently, entirely on your side. You hang up feeling like you’ve just been in the room with him, and technically you haven’t spoken to him in six weeks.
I want to be precise about who these people are, because precision is what keeps you from either forgiving too fast or writing everyone off. In my experience there are roughly three groups. The largest is people who were genuinely manipulated: he got to them first, with a good story and a wounded face, and they believed him because they had no reason not to. The second is conflict-averse people who experience your separation as unbearable tension and who mistake brokering peace for love. The third, and the smallest, is people who know exactly what they’re doing and have chosen him. You’ll need to figure out which one you’re talking to, and the section on the five types will help you do that.
The name matters because without it you’ll keep treating each conversation as a separate failure to explain yourself. You’ll think the problem is that you didn’t say it right to your sister, or that your colleague needs more context, or that your mother would understand if you just forwarded her the texts. With the name, you can see what’s actually happening: the same message, arriving through eight different mouths, written by one hand.
The term comes from the narcissistic abuse recovery community rather than a diagnostic manual, and it names what family systems therapists have long called triangulation, one person pulling a third party into a two-person conflict.
In plain terms: The people a narcissistic person recruits, usually without their full understanding, to pressure you, gather information about you, or carry his version of events after you’ve pulled away. Picture your sister calling to ask if you’re ‘sure’ about leaving, using his exact phrasing. She thinks she’s helping. She’s actually his reach after the door closed.
Your Nervous System Hears His Voice in Her Mouth.
Something happens in your body when a safe person carries an unsafe message, and I want to name it, because most of the women I work with think the intensity of their reaction means they’re overreacting. They aren’t. The clinical term is neuroception, which describes how your nervous system scans, beneath conscious awareness, for cues of safety, danger, or life threat, and shifts your physiology before your thinking mind has weighed in. Think of it as a smoke detector wired directly to your heart rate. It doesn’t check who’s holding the match. It just registers smoke.
I came to this idea through Stephen W. Porges, PhD, whose polyvagal perspective reframed how I understood what my clients were describing after these calls. What Porges laid out is that the same system that reads a familiar voice as safe, the one tuned to warm prosody and a soft face, is the system that gets flooded when that voice suddenly carries a threat. Your sister’s tone is the tone you’ve heard your whole life. Her words are his. The mismatch isn’t a metaphor. It’s a physiological collision.
Here’s what it looks like on a weekday. She says, “He reached out to me,” and your hands go cold around the mug. Your heart rate climbs. Words start coming out of you fast, too many of them, an over-explanation you didn’t plan and can’t stop, because your body has decided that if you can just make her understand, the threat will end. That’s fight, wearing the costume of a reasonable conversation. Or the opposite happens. You go blank. You say, “Okay,” and “I hear you,” and “I’ll think about it,” and then you hang up and sit on the edge of the bed staring at the wall for forty minutes. That’s shutdown, and it isn’t weakness. It’s a very old system doing what it was built to do when escape isn’t available.
What I want you to understand is why these calls cost you more than a direct message from him would. When he texts, your body knows the threat and knows the source. When your mother calls, the threat arrives inside a safety cue, and your nervous system has to hold both at once. That’s the exhaustion you can’t explain to people. You weren’t yelled at. You weren’t threatened. You had a twenty-minute conversation with someone you love, and you feel like you’ve been through something.
There’s also a cumulative piece. One of the things that lets a nervous system recover after a frightening relationship ends is distance, a stretch of ordinary days in which nothing dangerous happens. Flying monkeys close that window. Every call, every forwarded concern, every “I just think you should know,” tells your body the danger is still in the building. Recovery keeps getting postponed, not because you’re doing it wrong, but because the alarm keeps getting pulled by hands that don’t know they’re pulling it.
That wall you stared at after the call. Hold onto that image. We’ll come back to what your body was asking for in that moment.
Gray rock grew out of the narcissistic abuse recovery tradition as a practical boundary strategy, and it works partly because it removes the emotional reaction that keeps a recruited messenger engaged and reporting.
In plain terms: A way of handling contact you can’t avoid, where you deliberately become as uninteresting as a rock on a hiking path: brief, factual, unemotional, boring. You answer ‘How are you really doing?’ with ‘Fine, thanks’ and change nothing about your face. The goal isn’t to win the conversation. It’s to give the person nothing to carry back to him.
How the Recruitment Works: He Gets to Them First, and He Arrives Wounded.
People ask me how he got to them, and the honest answer is that he didn’t have to work very hard, because he was using a mechanism families run on anyway. The clinical term is triangulation: pulling a third person into a two-person conflict so that the tension routes through them instead of being faced directly. Picture the difference between a straight wire, where the current has to pass between two points, and a triangle, where a third corner absorbs the charge. On a Tuesday, triangulation is your mother asking you to “at least hear him out,” and not noticing that she’s now standing where the conflict used to be.
I first met this idea properly through Salvador Minuchin, MD, and his work on family structure. What struck me, reading his conceptual model of how families organize around distress, was how clearly he saw the third person being recruited not by argument but by position. A child gets drawn into the space between two parents. One parent allies with the child against the other. Or the child becomes the mediator, the one who carries information back and forth and keeps the peace by absorbing everyone’s discomfort. Minuchin was describing families with a sick child, but the structure he mapped is the structure a narcissistic person exploits with perfect intuition, because it’s already there in most families and most friend groups, waiting.
Here’s the arc as I’ve watched it unfold across hundreds of cases. It starts long before you leave, with seeding. Small concerns dropped into conversation months or years earlier: a worried comment to your sister about your stress, a joke to a mutual friend about how you’ve “been a lot lately.” Nothing you’d notice. Then, when you begin to pull away, he arrives first, and he arrives wounded. Not angry. Wounded. He’s confused, he’s hurting, he doesn’t understand what happened, and could she help him understand? He asks for nothing except her sympathy, which is the easiest thing in the world to give.
Then comes the ask, disguised as concern. Would she check on you? Would she let him know you’re okay? Would she just pass along that he misses you? Each request is small and kind-shaped. And then the reward, which is the part people underestimate: she gets to be the trusted one, the reasonable one, the peacemaker who sees both sides. That role feels good. It’s a promotion inside the family system. Nobody gives it up easily.
By the time you’ve actually left, the network already has a story about why, and the story got there before you did. Your account isn’t the account anymore. It’s the rebuttal. And rebuttals, no matter how accurate, always sound a little defensive to people who heard the other version first. That’s not a failure of your explanation. It’s the geometry of the triangle doing exactly what it was built to do.
Your Family Trained You Not to Correct the Record.
Flying monkeys work on you for a reason, and the reason usually predates him. If you grew up in a family where one person’s account of events was the account, and where correcting it cost more than living with it, you were trained years ago to raise your glass and say nothing. Lindsay C. Gibson, PsyD, gave me the clearest language for this in her work on emotionally immature parents. What she describes, and what I recognized instantly from my own caseload, is a child who learns to manage the parent’s version of reality rather than her own, because the parent’s version is load-bearing and hers is optional.
Nandini is a composite of several clients I’ve worked with; her name and identifying details have been changed to protect confidentiality. She comes to my office at half five, straight from work, laptop bag unopened, phone face down before she’s fully sat down. She’s 44, a project manager, married sixteen years, no children. She paid for her own wedding. All of it. Her mother’s account of that day involves the effort and expense her parents went to, and Nandini has the invoices in a folder she has never once opened since.
“They contributed about nine hundred dollars,” she told me. “Which was kind, and I said thank you, and I meant it, that’s not in question. And the total was thirty-one thousand, and it came out of an account I’d been building since I was twenty-four. And at our tenth anniversary my mother stood up and made a speech about what they’d sacrificed to give us that day. And my husband looked at me across the table. And I raised my glass, because what else is there to do.”
My hands went still at my husband looked at me across the table, and I raised my glass. Sixteen years of one account of a wedding, restated warmly at an anniversary, absorbed in real time by two people who both knew the arithmetic. This is what I mean when I say the record doesn’t run on documentation. Nandini has invoices in a folder and a witness who was in the room, and the speech happened anyway. Of course she raised her glass. The alternative was a correction issued at a dinner, over nine hundred dollars, in front of everybody, and she’d have become the woman who counted. In a family like hers, you can’t come back from that.
What shifted was small. A few weeks later her aunt said, in passing, “after everything your parents did for that wedding,” and Nandini heard the account walking around on its own legs, in someone else’s mouth. That’s the flying monkey dynamic inside a family of origin: nobody was recruited on purpose, and the story still travels. She didn’t correct her aunt. But that night, for the first time in sixteen years, she opened the folder.
Salvador Minuchin’s 1975 work on rigid, enmeshed family structures described how these systems pull children into adult conflicts, which is part of why a flying monkey’s phone call can feel like something you’ve lived before.
In plain terms: A family where one person’s version of reality is the official one, and everyone else learns to bend around it. You don’t get told the rules; you absorb them. The kid who says the emperor has no clothes gets frozen out at Thanksgiving, so most children learn early to raise their glass and keep quiet.
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Five Types of Flying Monkeys: What Each One Is Actually Asking You For.
Every flying monkey is asking you for something, and the fastest way to decide how to respond is to figure out what. Over years of doing this work I’ve come to see five recurring types. They aren’t a personality quiz. The same person can move between them, and your sister in March may be a different type by August. What stays constant is that each type has a want underneath the words, and your response lands better when it speaks to the want rather than the words.
The Courier carries messages. “He asked me to tell you he’s not doing well.” The Courier usually doesn’t experience herself as taking sides; she thinks of herself as a phone line. What she wants is to discharge the message so she can stop holding it. The response that works is to close the line without punishing the person: “I’m not going to be a channel between us. If he has something to say, he knows how to reach my attorney, and I’d rather hear about your week.”
The Peacekeeper can’t tolerate the rupture itself. She isn’t carrying his message so much as her own discomfort, and what she wants is for the tension to resolve so she can breathe. She’ll say things like “can’t you two just talk it through?” Try: “I know this is hard to watch, and I’m sorry you’re in the middle of it. I’m not going to discuss him with you, and there’s nothing you need to fix here.”
The Investigator asks questions. How are you sleeping, where are you living, have you started seeing anyone, is work okay. Some of it is love. Some of it flows straight back to him, and you often can’t tell which. What the Investigator wants is information, so the response is to make information scarce, which is where gray rock comes in. “Fine. Busy. How’s the garden?” The tone stays warm. The content goes flat.
The Believer has taken his account fully and thinks you’re the problem. She’ll argue with you, quote him, suggest you get help. What she wants is for you to concede, and nothing you say will be enough, because she’s already decided. This is the one type where distance is usually the only script: “We see this very differently, and I’m not going to argue it with you.” Then you stop responding to the argument, even when it’s clever.
The Neutral Party wants, above all, not to choose. “I don’t want to take sides.” She thinks neutrality is fairness, and doesn’t see that neutrality after abuse is a side. What she wants is permission to stay comfortable. The response is to reframe the ask: “I’m not asking you to take a side. I’m asking you not to carry his.”
You’ll notice that sentence, some version of it, is the one you end up saying most. Keep it short. Say it kindly. Say it again next week.
Both/And: You Can Grieve Her and Know Exactly What She’s Doing.
The question I hear most, usually around the third or fourth session after a client has named the pattern, is some version of: “So do I hate her now?” And the answer I give is the one that frustrates people at first and then, eventually, holds them. You don’t have to pick. You can grieve your sister and know exactly what she’s doing. Both things are true, on the same afternoon, in the same body.
The clinical word for this is ambivalence, and it gets a bad reputation because people hear it as indecision. It isn’t. Ambivalence is the capacity to hold two real and contradictory feelings about the same person without collapsing either one. The analogy I use is two hands, each holding something that weighs something. In one hand: I miss her, we’ve talked every Sunday since I was nineteen, she knows what I sound like when I’m lying. In the other: she’s carrying his messages, and every call leaves me shaking. On a Tuesday it feels like screening her call and then crying because you screened her call.
Here’s why collapsing into one hand is so tempting. If she’s a traitor, you don’t have to grieve, because you never really had her. Anger is cleaner than loss. And if she’s just confused, just manipulated, just doing her best, you don’t have to protect yourself, because protecting yourself from someone who’s doing her best feels cruel. Both collapses spare you something. Both cost you the truth.
The truth is that the relationship was real and the function she’s serving is also real. The grief is legitimate because you didn’t imagine the closeness. The boundary is legitimate because you aren’t imagining the pattern either. When my clients can hold both, something changes in how they talk about it. They stop saying “I can’t believe she’d do this to me,” which is a sentence about betrayal, and start saying “I miss her and I’m not going to tell her anything,” which is a sentence about a decision.
What this looks like practically is more layered than either no contact or full contact. You can love her and give her nothing he can use. You can miss the group text and not rejoin it. You can go to your niece’s birthday and leave after the cake. You can hold the door open a crack for the version of your sister who eventually gets it, without standing in the doorway waiting for her. None of that requires you to decide, today, who she finally is.
Two hands. Neither one empty. That’s not indecision. That’s the weight of a real loss, held honestly, while you keep yourself safe.
The Systemic Lens: The World Processes What It Can See and Bills the Woman Who Points at the Rest.
I want to widen the lens, because it isn’t only individuals who get recruited. Systems get recruited too, and they don’t need a narcissist to do it. They default to his side because his side is cheaper. Judith Lewis Herman, MD, taught me this in Trauma and Recovery, in her thinking about what happens to bystanders after someone has been harmed. The one who caused harm asks the bystander for nothing: silence, looking away, staying out of it. The one who was harmed asks the bystander to share the weight, to remember, to act. One request is free. The other is expensive. That asymmetry explains more about flying monkeys than any theory of personality ever has.
Radhika is a composite drawn from readers who’ve written to me about this pattern. She isn’t a client; her name and identifying details have been changed. She wrote to me on a Sunday, from a kitchen table, having been drafting since a probate notice landed in April. She’s 44, an epidemiologist at a public health department, single, one child of eleven. Her mother died without a will. The statutory default treats all four children identically. One of the four has held their mother’s bank card and PIN since 2019.
“There isn’t a will,” she wrote. “So it’s an equal split by statute, which is the sensible default and I’d defend it, and I would design it that way if you asked me to design it. And about ninety thousand dollars moved out of her current account between 2019 and last year. And to challenge that I have to bring an action against my own brother, with evidence, at my own cost, and the estate pays nothing toward it. So it goes.”
My jaw set at I have to bring an action against my own brother, with evidence, at my own cost. That’s the systemic lens in a single sentence. The rule isn’t broken. It’s working precisely as designed, distributing what’s in the estate at death, correctly and cheaply, and saying nothing at all about what left before death. Pursuing that is a private action, privately funded, against family, while the other two siblings, who’ve lost nothing they can see, tell her not to “drag everyone through court.” Nobody recruited them. The system produced the chorus on its own.
This is what the world does around narcissistic abuse, over and over. Probate courts, HR departments, congregations, extended families: they’re built to process what’s visible in the present, and they bill the person who points at what happened before. The one who kept the peace gets treated as neutral. The one who names the missing ninety thousand gets treated as the disruption.
What shifted for Radhika wasn’t a decision. She still hasn’t filed. What shifted is the question. She stopped asking why the split is unfair and started asking what the rule can see and what it can’t, which is a question you can actually sit with at a kitchen table on a Sunday.
Grief You Aren’t Allowed to Speak Comes Back as Symptoms.
The loss you’re carrying has a name in the grief literature, and almost nobody around you will use it. It’s called disenfranchised grief: mourning a loss the people around you don’t recognize as a loss, so there’s no ritual for it, no casserole, no card. The analogy is a funeral nobody attends because nobody agrees anyone died. On a Tuesday it feels like this: you can’t tell your colleague you’re grieving your book club, because your book club is still meeting. It’s just meeting without you, and half of them still follow him online.
I want to make one claim in this section and stay with it, because I think it’s the most important thing I know about the aftermath of flying monkeys. Grief that isn’t allowed to be spoken doesn’t dissolve. It goes underground and comes back up wearing a different face. For the driven women I work with, that face is usually not sadness. It’s pace.
Francis Weller, MFT, gave me the language for this in The Wild Edge of Sorrow, and reading him felt less like learning something new than like finally hearing described what I’d watched in my office for years. His argument is that grief needs a witness and a container, that it was never meant to be carried alone, and that a culture with no room for sorrow doesn’t get rid of sorrow. It relocates it. The mourning that can’t happen in the open happens in the body and in behavior, and we call it something else.
“Grief is a response to loss or change. It is a great resource in the treatment of trauma and PTSD.”
Picture the specific grief of losing your sister’s Sunday calls, the friend group’s text thread, and the colleague you had lunch with every other week, all in one season, none of it acknowledged as loss by anyone but you. It has to go somewhere. Weller says where.
What I see, again and again, is that it goes into the calendar. The woman who’s lost eleven people in a year, none of whom died, starts working until nine. She answers the text that lands at 9:14 p.m. within four minutes. She sleeps badly and calls it stress. She feels lonely in rooms full of people and calls it introversion. She notices she’s pouring a second glass on Thursdays and calls it a phase. None of that is a character flaw. All of it is grief that was refused a voice, arriving as symptom, exactly the way he describes.
The repair starts smaller than you’d think. Not a ritual, not yet. One sentence, said to one witness who won’t argue with you about whether it counts: “I lost eleven people this year and none of them died.” The moment the grief is spoken, it starts coming back up out of the shadow into a place where you can actually do something with it. The pace is the symptom. The speaking is where the mending begins.
Letting Go of Them Will Feel, at First, Like Giving Up on Being Understood.
Everything I’m about to describe, the gray-rock protocol, the grief work, the slow rebuilding of a circle, is a form of letting go. And I need to tell you the truth about letting go before you start, because otherwise you’ll think you’re doing it wrong. At first, it won’t feel like relief. It’ll feel like giving up on the hope that they’ll finally understand.
Let me translate the tool. The gray-rock protocol is a way of becoming uninteresting to people who feed information or pressure back into his system: brief, flat, factual, pleasant, and without detail. Picture a gray rock on a path. Nobody stops for it. Nobody picks it up. On a Tuesday it sounds like your mother asking how you’re really doing and you saying, “Fine, busy, how’s the garden,” meaning it kindly, and offering nothing else. It works. It also hurts, and here’s why.
Every detail you withhold from her is a piece of the hope that this time, if she just had the full picture, she’d see. Gray rock asks you to stop supplying the picture. That’s why my clients describe week three not as relief but as grief. They’ve stopped trying to be understood by someone positioned not to understand them, and stopping feels like closing the door on the version of the story where the family comes around, apologizes, and the record gets corrected in front of everyone. In my proverbial House of Life™ framework that door sits on the foundation floor, and letting it close is foundational work, even when it feels like loss.
Arielle Schwartz, PhD, names this with a precision I’ve never been able to improve on in The Complex PTSD Workbook. She’s writing about releasing traumatic memory, but the mechanism is identical to what happens when you release the people who carried his messages. Here’s what I want you to hold alongside her words: the feeling that you’re abandoning something precious isn’t a sign you’re doing this wrong. It’s the sign that you’re doing it at all.
That’s what the door sounds like closing from the inside. It sounds like the end of redemption. And what I can tell you, from sitting across from women on the far side of it, is that redemption was never the thing being held. Hope for someone else’s change was. Letting go of that hope doesn’t erase the relationship or the years. It stops handing you back into the relay race every time the baton comes around.
What comes after is slower and quieter than people expect. You rebuild the circle one person at a time, starting with someone who heard your account first, or who never knew him at all. You let a friendship take a year to become weight-bearing. And at some dinner months from now, you notice that nobody has mentioned him, that nobody at the table has his number, and that the ache of missing your sister is still there, and has somehow become something you can carry to the table, set down beside your plate, and eat dinner anyway.
Here’s something I want you to understand about grief before we go any further: it’s not just sadness. At its core, grieving is an act of release. And in her work on complex trauma, Arielle Schwartz, PhD, names the part of this process that almost no one prepares you for. When you finally start to let go of what hurt you, it can feel, at least at first, less like healing and more like surrender. Like you’re throwing away the last thread of hope that things might still be set right, that the story might still get its fair ending.
“To the extent that the patient is unable to grieve, she is cut off from a part of herself and robbed of an important part of her healing. Reclaiming the ability to feel the full range of emotions, including grief, must be understood as an act of resistance…”
Source: Judith Herman, MD, Psychiatrist, Trauma and Recovery (1992)
That’s exactly what letting go of the flying monkeys will feel like. Not relief, not at first. It’ll feel like you’re giving up on ever being understood by people who once knew you well. Like you’re conceding the narrative to someone who lied about you. I want you to know that this feeling is part of the grief, not evidence you’re making a mistake. You’re not abandoning the truth. You’re just no longer waiting for people who’ve stopped listening to hand it back to you.
Seven criteria to consider before you begin.
These criteria are orientation points, not a gatekeeping checklist. You don’t have to meet every one perfectly, and any missing piece can become part of the plan.
Whether she’s heard your account unfiltered
Before deciding how to respond, ask whether this person has ever heard your version directly from you, or only his version about you.
A surprising number of the people carrying his messages have never actually heard yours. They’ve heard his account of you, and then they’ve heard you respond to it, which isn’t the same thing. A rebuttal always sounds a little defensive. A story told first, calmly, from the beginning, sounds like a story.
So before you decide anything about this person, ask yourself whether you’ve ever sat with her and told it once, in your own order, without him in the room or on the phone afterward. If the answer is no, one conversation may be worth having. One. Not a campaign, not a folder of screenshots, not a weekly update. You say it once, and then you watch what she does with it.
If she’s already heard it once, directly, and she’s still carrying his messages, you have your answer, and you don’t owe her a second telling.
Whether the pressure stops when you name it
The clearest test of a flying monkey’s intentions is what happens after you say, once and plainly, that you won’t discuss him.
Words are cheap in these situations, and everyone involved has plenty of them. What tells you the truth is behavior after a clear request. Say it once, plainly, without heat: “I’m not going to talk about him with you.” Then pay attention to the next three conversations.
A person who was genuinely confused, or genuinely conflict-averse, will usually stumble a bit and then honor it. She might slip once. She’ll apologize when you point it out. The pressure fades because the pressure was hers, and once she understands it isn’t welcome she can put it down.
A person who keeps bringing him up after that, who finds new angles, who says “I know you don’t want to talk about this, but,” is telling you something about her role that no amount of affection changes. You don’t have to punish that. You do have to believe it.
What the relationship was before he arrived
A friendship that predates him by fifteen years deserves a different calculus than a couple you met at his company party.
Not every relationship in the network carries the same weight, and pretending otherwise is one of the ways you exhaust yourself. A friend who’s known you since you were nineteen, who has a decade of your voice in her memory before he ever showed up, is working with a different set of data than the couple you met at his company party three years ago.
The long friend has something to check his story against. When she carries his message, it may be a lapse. The newer friends only ever knew you as half of a couple, and his version may be the only version of you they have. When they carry his message, they aren’t betraying much, because there wasn’t much yet to betray.
Spend your limited energy accordingly. Fight for the ones with history. Let the ones without it drift, without bitterness, the way weather changes.
How much reaches him through her
Estimate honestly what information travels from this person to him, because the flow of information, not her affection, determines how much you share.
Affection and information are separate variables, and driven women tend to collapse them. You love your mother, so you tell her about the new apartment. Your mother loves you, so she mentions the apartment to your aunt, who mentions it to him. Nobody meant harm. He has your address.
Before each conversation, make an honest, unsentimental estimate of the flow. How much of what you say to this person ends up with him within a week? You usually know. You’ve watched it happen. If the answer is “most of it,” then what you share has to be governed by that flow, not by how much you love her or she loves you.
This isn’t coldness. It’s the difference between telling someone how you feel and telling someone where you sleep. You can keep the first wide open while the second stays closed.
What’s practically at stake right now
If custody, money, housing, or your job is still in motion, respond to flying monkeys as a safety question first and a relationship question second.
There’s a version of this decision that’s about relationships and feelings, and there’s a version that’s about safety, and they need to be weighed in that order. If a custody evaluation is pending, if the house hasn’t sold, if the finances aren’t separated, if you share a professional field and he’s talking to people who influence your work, then every flying monkey is also a channel into an open situation.
In that stage, the question isn’t “can I salvage this friendship?” It’s “what does this person know that could show up in a filing, a deposition, or a meeting I’m not in?” Respond accordingly. Be kind. Be brief. Be strategic about detail in a way you’d never have been before, and forgive yourself for it.
Once the practical stakes settle, you can revisit the relationship question with a clearer head and a safer life. The order matters.
What contact costs your body
Track how you feel for the twenty-four hours after each conversation, because your nervous system is keeping a ledger your loyalty would rather ignore.
Your loyalty to these people will tell you one story about what the contact costs. Your body will tell you another, and your body keeps better records. For four weeks, notice what the twenty-four hours after each call actually look like. Did you sleep? Did you snap at your kid? Did you reach for the phone at midnight to reread old messages? Did you lose a workday to a fog you couldn’t name?
Write it down if you have to, in the notes app, one line per contact. Not to build a case against anyone. To see the pattern your loyalty keeps smoothing over. Some people cost you an evening. Some cost you a week.
You’re allowed to price contact honestly. A relationship that reliably costs you a week is a relationship you can keep, if you choose, on a schedule your body can afford.
Whether you’re deciding for this season or for good
Most responses to a flying monkey can be provisional; you’re allowed to choose distance for six months without pronouncing a verdict on the whole relationship.
One of the things that keeps women stuck is the belief that any response to a flying monkey is a final verdict on the relationship. It doesn’t have to be. Most of these decisions can be provisional. You can choose distance for a season without pronouncing on who your sister finally is.
Try naming the time frame to yourself, even if you never say it aloud. “I’m not talking to her about anything real until the divorce is final.” “I’m skipping the group text through the holidays.” “I’ll reassess in June.” A decision with a date attached is far easier to make than a decision for eternity, and it’s far easier to keep, because it doesn’t demand that you feel certain.
People change. Some flying monkeys wake up when the pressure stops working and the story stops making sense. Leaving room for that isn’t weakness. It’s accuracy about how long these things take.
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- Flying monkeys are the people a narcissist recruits, usually unknowingly, to pressure you, watch you, and carry his version of events after you’ve left.
- Nobody decides to become a flying monkey; recruitment happens in the body, through a nervous system that settles around whoever seems most certain.
- Your sister’s phone call tastes like childhood because narcissistic families train children early to raise a glass to one person’s version of reality.
- Five types of flying monkeys exist, and knowing what each one wants from the conversation tells you exactly how to end it.
- Both things can be true: your mother loves you, and she’s carrying his message. Grieving her doesn’t mean you’re paranoid.
- Systemic rules divide what’s left, not what was taken, so stop blaming yourself for something the wider world is doing.
- Unspoken grief returns as symptoms; recovery means gray rock, grieving them, releasing the hope they’ll finally see, and building a new circle.
Frequently asked questions.
Do flying monkeys actually know what they’re doing?
Most of them don’t, at least not fully. In my clinical experience, the majority believe they’re being fair, neutral, or even kind; they’ve been handed a story that’s tidy and emotionally satisfying, and nobody has given them a reason to question it. A smaller number know exactly what they’re doing and enjoy the position it gives them. Here’s the practical part: their awareness doesn’t change your strategy much. Whether your cousin is naive or complicit, the gray rock method looks the same on your end, which is short, boring, factual replies and no emotional fuel. You can decide later, once you’re not in the middle of it, whose ignorance was innocent and whose wasn’t. That sorting is a six-months-from-now job, not a Tuesday-night-at-11 job.
Why does it hurt more when a flying monkey turns on me than when the narcissist does?
It hurts more because your nervous system never filed that person under threat. With the narcissist, some part of you had been bracing for years, even if you couldn’t name it. Stephen Porges’s polyvagal perspective describes how the body constantly scans for cues of safety and danger below conscious awareness; your sister, your oldest friend, your dad were all coded as safe harbor. When someone in the safe column repeats his version of you, there’s no bracing in place, so the blow lands on bare skin. This isn’t weakness or overreaction. It’s what happens when a place you were resting gets pulled out from under you. Naming that to yourself, out loud if you can, is the first regulation practice I’d offer.
Should I send the flying monkeys screenshots or explain my side so they finally understand?
I’d hold off, and I say that knowing how badly you want to hit send. Evidence rarely converts someone who’s already emotionally invested in his version; more often it becomes new material he uses to prove you’re obsessed or unstable. A useful boundary practice is the 48-hour rule: draft the message if you need to, save it, and don’t send anything to a flying monkey for two full days. Most of my clients find that by hour 40 the urgency has drained out and they can see the message for what it was, a plea to be believed by someone who’s chosen not to. Save the screenshots for your therapist, your attorney if there’s a legal piece, and the two or three people who’ve earned your unedited story.
How long does it take to stop caring what the flying monkeys think of me?
For most people I’ve worked with, the acute sting eases noticeably somewhere between six and eighteen months after they stop engaging, and it stops being a daily thought well before that. Caring, though, doesn’t fully disappear, and I’d gently push back on that as the goal. You’ll likely always care a little that your aunt believes you’re the villain. What changes is that the caring stops running your day. A marker I watch for: you hear the flying monkey’s name at a family function and your stomach registers it, but you’re still able to taste the food. Bessel van der Kolk’s work on how trauma lives in the body explains why the timeline runs through your gut before your head; the body updates last.
Do I need therapy for this, or can I just cut everyone off and move on?
You don’t need therapy to survive a flying monkey campaign, but I’d recommend it if you notice specific signs: you’re rehearsing arguments in the shower weeks later, you’ve stopped trusting new people, or your sleep and appetite haven’t recovered after a couple of months. Cutting people off handles the incoming fire. It doesn’t handle the way your body learned, under repeated relational stress, that closeness is dangerous. Judith Herman described how prolonged, repeated harm inside relationships produces a distinct injury that isolation alone won’t repair; reconnection is part of the medicine. If a therapist isn’t accessible right now, a structured support group for narcissistic abuse survivors is a meaningful second option. Going fully solo tends to work least well.
How do I tell the difference between a flying monkey and a friend who just sees it differently?
The clearest tell is whether they’re carrying information back to him. A friend who disagrees with you keeps the disagreement between the two of you; a flying monkey’s conversation with you tends to show up, sometimes word for word, in his next text. A second tell is whether they can hold your version alongside his without needing you to concede. Watch for phrasing like “I’m not taking sides, but” followed by his talking points verbatim. Real friends who see it differently are rare and worth keeping; they’ll say “I don’t fully get it, and I’m still here.” I’d give any ambiguous person a thirty-day observation window: share nothing sensitive, notice what circles back, and then decide.
What do I do when the flying monkey is my own mother or my own kid?
You protect the relationship in the smallest true form it can take, rather than choosing between full access and full cutoff. With a parent, that often means structured contact: birthdays, a monthly call with a set end time, and a firm rule that you’ll end any conversation the moment his name comes up as a lecture. With an adult child who’s been recruited, I ask clients to hold a longer horizon, often years, and to keep one uncontaminated channel open, a text on the first of the month with no agenda. Salvador Minuchin’s family systems work shows how a system reorganizes around a powerful member; children recruited into that structure often need to leave home and live a bit before they can see it. Your steadiness is what they’ll find when they look back.
Is it possible I’ve been a flying monkey for someone else without realizing it?
Yes, and noticing that is a sign of health, not a reason for shame. Most of us have passed along a friend’s version of an ex, cooled toward someone based on a story we never checked, or delivered a “just reaching out” message on someone’s behalf. The framework I’d offer is a simple audit: think of the last three people you quietly turned against, and ask whether you ever heard their account directly. If you didn’t, you can repair it with a short, honest message that doesn’t demand a response. This isn’t about equivalence; being recruited once by a persuasive friend is not the same as running a campaign. It’s about understanding the mechanism from the inside so you don’t extend the pattern in your own circle.
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Annie Wright, LMFT
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